I prefer the Internet puppy, but I too will stand up for the talking horse.
Oh yes, I prefer the internet puppy too--the last Charlie Stross book I liked was last year (coincidentally the last Charlie Stross book I read was last year), whereas the last Sheri Tepper book I liked was...well, there is one. There is. I would just have to poke greykev
to figure out which one and when he lent it to me. I was not yet married, and I got married in 1999.
But I had things to say about the taste hierarchy thing and what it's doing here and beyond, whereas "internet puppy" made me go, "srsly whut" and then "how tacky" and then move on with my life.
I remember really enjoying a series by her from a long time ago. Possibly the 80's? In what way has she gone off the rails. (Other than talking horses.) I have her on my mental list as "writer I remember enjoying should catch up with."
I think her True Game series is what I liked, clear back. The more recent stuff is much darker.
Yes, that was the series I liked, too. (memory fuzzy) And for me darker is usually not better, either.
Yup, True Game for me too. I haven't much liked anything since*, and I go with darker more often than not.
*Actually, to be honest, I didn't much like anything I read after those series, so I stopped reading her some time ago. Now I have to read her talking horse, partly to see if I can find what the judges must like so much about it, and partly, y'know. Talking horse. It's suddenly an obligation.
Beauty was where it went off the rails for me, in terms of darkness; and to be clear, I like darkness fine when it's there as contrast, but when it's there because darkness goes with emptiness and despair and the abyss, that's when I don't do darkness. Beauty is ostensibly about the saving of magic, so I even re-read it recently-ish to make sure I hadn't read it wrong the first time, but no, it was still too dark, and maybe I'm a wuss--well. I am.
Ach. Too bad. I was reviewing her body of work, and apparently I am a huge Sherri S. Tepper fan. I read and enjoyed the True Game series, the Jinian series, Mavin Manyshaped, Gate to Women's Country, and Grass. Oh, Sherri, what happened to turn you into the queen of darkness?
I am picking and poking away at a massive volume of Polish history, too, so it's doubly of interest. Thanks!
This post? Full of all the reasons you are awesome, starting with the first paragraph and going on from there. So very very yes.
Also, the part about how there is a lot of awesome stuff out there, and if you do not like the stuff you are looking at, go do something else you like better.
(And in the context of awards-done-by-committee: dude. They are people. They get to have opinions which are Not Yours. It's okay. Talk up the stuff you think is awesome instead, and why it rocks, and I'm sure you'll find people who agree with you, because the World Is Like That.)
And I don't think everybody can go do something they like better, but someone in Christopher Priest's shoes certainly can. I found myself agape and agog at Neal Stephenson when he was doing the Damn Kids Get Off My Lawn rant about how we as a culture were not dreaming big enough SFnal dreams...when he is an SF writer who has seriously not been doing the Big SF Dreams kind of novel at all, and certainly not recently.
So for writers, be the change you want to see is reasonable advice, but be the award nominee you want to promote relentlessly is...kind of tacky.
Ah - by "Go do" I don't mean "Go write stuff you like better" exactly (though, hey, always an option.) But ... go read stuff you like better. Go promote the stuff you like to other people and tell them why it's awesome.
Go do stuff that makes you happy, not cranky, basically.
Right, I meant to be agreeing and elaborating, not arguing!
They are more interested in whether the horse has anything interesting to say than in whether someone sees them reading a book with, oh noes, a talking horse.
He. Wrote. The novelization. Of "Short Circuit"?
Pot. Kettle. Fuligin, baby. Fuligin.
(Ever noticed that when people get all snobby and righteous and start writing horrible reviews and making horrible laws, you can always look at what they're pointing and shrieking at and find that it's a big shiny mirror?)
Have decided want tee w/talking horse & internet puppy & ink stained weasel round table playing poker. Need to find good tag line, please help?
Okay this is hilarious. My favorite part was "Sailors Moon."
It is nice to be appreciated for small things sometimes.
I find in general that genre people are a better group of people. However, they're still people, and prone to talking about one another behind their backs and being catty when it comes to each other's work. Sometimes it's jealousy; sometimes its going along with the flow just because everyone else is.
No matter how cool and creative I find genre people to be, in the end they're still people.
Yep, sometimes people need a whap to the side of the head.
I once lost my wallet at a convention. (Well, okay, more than once, but that's not important right now.) It had a thousand dollars in it in twenty dollar bills. Someone found it and turned it in, money intact. I don't know very many places where that would happen.
yes, Christopher, horsey, well done, next week we'll teach you what a puppy looks like, since you seem to still be having trouble with that one.
Thank you for the coffee of my keyboard and screen and desk and shirt.
Also, yes. This.
Yes! Nicely phrased. (I'm now reading all the links this morning, and goggling.)
In general, I find Christopher Priest very entertaining in his snobbery (even if it is basically just annoying snobbery), but dissing Tepper for the talking horse was just lazy snobbery. Maybe he was tired after having that epic go at China Mieville.
Yah, it was just not high-quality snobbery there.
In fact, I was reading along and starting to think, "This guy is very very impressed with himself for being very very sardonic and knowing all the twenty-dollar words, isn't he?" Then I got to his description of Charlie Stross and, except perhaps for the "energetic" part, well, that's what I had been thinking about Mr. Priest...
So what you're saying is that you're a snobbery snob?
I should have a snobbery snob userpic.
You know, in terms of skimpy costumes I'd be much happier in Slave Leia Klingon Sailor Moon than in straight-up Slave Leia, because the crossover version would be terrifyingly well-armed and equipped with magical powers. Also there would probably be a really interesting hairstyle involved.
He seems so dismissive of... fun. I mean, that's his problem with Rule 34, is that it was entertaining? I just don't know how to respond to that. Clearly he has different goals in his reading material than I do.
Also the cape for warmth!
It seems to me people read science fiction for very, very different things. It's as if religious fiction, sex novels, vegetarian cookbooks, and _Hannibal Lecter's Vegetarian Cookbook_ were all in the same category.
I want to read fiction about the future. I'm annoyed by people who proclaim that sf should be about Today's Important Problems. But I don't fan that annoyance into anger, let alone denounce them in print.
The costume: I'm picturing you in it. I'm also picturing Jerry Pournelle in that costume.
Those of you now picturing me as a Slave Leia Klingon Sailor Moon: you had better not be enjoying it, or you're now fired.
*hastily cancels Kickstarter project to fund costume purchases*
But... but... I neeeeeeeeed this job!
So much agreement with everything you said. Except that I desperately want to read about the teenage spy girl from Atlantis, please go back to making up some more about that?
It is the current main project. Fear not.
> Those of you now picturing me as a Slave Leia Klingon Sailor Moon
By the time I had painted the Klingon skin tone/face bumps and armour bits onto my mental image, added the bad blonde cosplay wig with the Sailor Moon bun bobble things and trailing knee-length pigtails, and had the figure strike a Sailor Moon peace-sign pose while saying something in Klingon as the golden Leia bikini flashed in the moonlight... it was really, really, REALLY not a Mris anymore.
Also, ow. I was using those brain bits.
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This. By and large: this.
I enjoyed this post very much, thank you!